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experience and in many thousands of

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published reports and I could talk to

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you for seven or eight hours on the

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phenomenon alone but I've picked two

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reports that illustrate one principle

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that's really critical to what I have to

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tell you at the end of the talk these

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are reports in the operating room of

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people who died on the table and were

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resuscitated and then told their stories

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later on and the first person says as

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they that is the doctors and nurses came

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by they wouldn't seem to notice me they

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would just keep walking with their eyes

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straight ahead and this is the person

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who's dissociated from his or her body

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and observing what's going on in the

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operating room as they came real close I

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would try to turn around to get out of

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their way but they would just walk

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through me hmm okay you're entitled to

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say ok these people are psychotic

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however I spent my entire master's

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thesis showing that they weren't so I'll

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mail it to you if you need to read in

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the second account I'm trying to stop

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them the doctors I really did try to

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grab ahold of them and stop them because

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I really felt happy where I was which is

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dead I actually remember grabbing the

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doctor the interviewer asked what

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happened the the experiencer says

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nothing absolutely nothing it was almost

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like he wasn't there well he was there

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and so was the experiencer but they were

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different somehow aren't they and in

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fact there's a superposition of the

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experience there over physical bodies

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with no interaction so I'm going to have

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to accelerate myself way beyond my

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normal range consider Einstein's famous

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equation with a whole bunch of changes e

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an integer zero to whatever s0 would be

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energy itself since these are the 0 is 1

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s 1 would be what I'm calling essence

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the non materials thinking substance s 2

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would be matter this is just for

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illustration purposes you can think of a

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way to construct a substance from energy

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that is not mattered simply by

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considering such a simple relationship

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so the essence that I call the non

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material substance would be constructed

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completely differently from energy it

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would still be constructed from energy

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but differently so differently that it

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could overlap with matter and not even

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interact with with it except under

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certain circumstances Einstein has

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helped us understand with his e equals

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MC squared equation that there could be

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other forms of substance but he hasn't

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given us any kind of structural advice

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so let's turn to Brian Greene and as you

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see here string theory comes directly

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from Newtonian mechanics because in the

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upper left-hand corner we have Newton's

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apple and Newton didn't know it at the

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time because Apple was composed of many

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Apple atoms and each apple Adam has what

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we're at once called elementary

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particles electrons protons neutrons

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those have been shown to consist of

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quarks string theory has told us that

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the quarks themselves are composed of

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strings strings are supposed to be the

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fundamental unit of everything and so

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theory in the sense that Einstein wanted

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however this is an artist misconception

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because material particles are

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open-ended strings and what he's shown

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not drawn quite right however we're

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going to go ahead what are things in

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terms of strings closed loop strings are

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vibrating circular strands of energy the

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open-ended strings are the other type

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space-time three physical spatial

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dimensions one time to mention a

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teach-in so the opening of strings are

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actually part of our universe what

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string theory claims is that different

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amounts of energy are represented by

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strings translating to different masses

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of particles gravitons predicted by

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loop strings that only temporarily stay

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in this universe and then leave it so

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the weakness of gravity by saying that

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most gravitons never exert any force on

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a physical object they leave the

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verse first and that's one of the

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strengths of string theory but how do we

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test it no one's been able to test it I

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suggest to you that the near-death

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experience represents the test of this

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theory that the what I call the essence

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fact a closed loop string or maybe more

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than one closed loop string that allows

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its overlap with matter because the

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closed loop string is not attached to

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space-time and secondly to be even more

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outrageous consciousness is in the

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closed loop string although not

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necessarily originating from it and

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closed loop string that is the essence

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as i call it the human mind is capable

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of leaving the universe and if that's

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not renegade enough for you my apologies

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therefore i believe that the old ideas

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of rene descartes about substance have

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been given a new life a new way of

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thinking about them at the very least

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and a new way of gathering information

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by using human experience subjective

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experience as scientific data in the

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area of consciousness I really don't see

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how we can divorce first-person

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experience from consciousness and study

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consciousness from solely a third person

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account so I believe that we have

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evidence to think that way thank you we

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have a few minutes for questions and

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comments and I will exert chairs

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privilege just for just a comment that

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relying on string theory to give us an

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idea of the true nature of physics is

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seems to be getting increasingly dodgy

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these days to spend despite the best

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propaganda efforts of folks like Brian

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Greene could let me add one idea to that

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Brian Greene taught me indirectly

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through television that m-theory

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summarizes the five subservient variants

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of string theory unifies them and

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predicts a fourth spatial dimension so I

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believe that my ideas are evidence of

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his theory but he was not interested in

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that kind of evidence ah i see a

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hi Bernie Bernie Williams first I want

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to agree with York and then I want agree

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with you and then I want to note that a

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lot of the inner subjective turn that

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we're taking has to do with reviving

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ancient traditions like Maria does and

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to note that I don't think it's ironic

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that we have one and only one remaining

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fragment from Lou cheapest now for those

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of you who aren't antique Greeks the

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cheapest was democritus's teacher the

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proposer of atoms all right what is the

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one remaining fragment a description of

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am assuming I don't have to answer that

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comments would be welcome however I'm

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not sure I know how to comment on that

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why not Costa I'm a neurophysiologist

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that does consciousness studies now and

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I like exploring altered states and

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recording them on the EEG so try this

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one on the brain is a quantum mechanical

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electrochemical meat machine that

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collapses the wave function and then if

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you want to get even more confused what

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we're all doing here is our brains are

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studying our brains and our brains are

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studying our consciousness so you can

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never get out of the problem of the

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brain is part of the the mix I started

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going to the consciousness the science

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of conscience conferences years ago and

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all these debates happened every day and

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then different camps were formed the

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neuro phenomenologist the nerve net

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people the modelers the subjective

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experience people you have to look at

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the whole gamut so I encourage people to

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explore altered states of consciousness

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where you can have these experiences of

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out-of-body you can

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these experiences of your consciousness

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moves to different locations you can

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have telepathic you will know some of

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this thank you for a beautiful

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Unicron I wonder if you know that in co

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ballistic science there was already

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superstring theory in which science

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Kabbalistic science no you know you can

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read it in red in the book of dr. pol